Subtlety Rogue PvP Guide — The War Within (11.0.5)
This guide will walk you through everything you need to know to play Subtlety Rogue in a PvP environment. The guide will cover everything from talent choices, PvP talents, gameplay and rotation, and useful racial bonuses. It is most applicable to Arena content, but most talents and racial bonuses will work in Rated Battlegrounds and skirmishes.
If you were looking for TBC Classic content, please refer to our TBC Rogue PvP guide.
Subtlety Rogues in the Current Meta
Subtlety Rogues have one of the best control toolkits in the game, with Blind and Kidney Shot, but most importantly, with Shadow Dance, enabling them to access Sap and Cheap Shot at will. They also have the well-known Smoke Bomb on a shorter cooldown than the other Rogue specializations, as well as the unique ability Shadowy Duel, making them true crowd control lords amongst the melee specializations. They also have strong on-demand burst damage, allowing them to score kills when the entire enemy team is in CC.
Noteworthy Patch 11.0.5 changes
Subtlety changes
- The following talents have been removed: Invigorating Shadowdust and Sepsis. The removal of Invigorating Shadowdust is a heavy nerf for Subtlety Rogue in PvP.
- New Talent: Death Perception – Symbols of Death has [1/2] additional charge(s) and increases damage by an additional 3/6%. Very strong talent.
- Shadow Blades cooldown reduced to 1 minute 30 seconds (was 2 minutes) and duration reduced to 16 seconds (was 20 seconds). It looks like a buff, but due to the removal of Invigorating Shadowdust Subtlety Rogues still have Shadow Blades about as frequently as before the change.
Rogue changes
- New Talent: Supercharger – Symbols of Death supercharges [1/2] Combo Points. Damaging finishing moves consume a supercharged combo point to function as if they spent 2 additional combo points.
- New Talent: Forced Induction – Increase the bonus granted when a damaging finishing move consumes a supercharged Combo Point by 1.
- Echoing Reprimand has been redesigned – After consuming a supercharged Combo Point, your next Backstab strikes with an Echoing Reprimand dealing Physical damage.
- Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend.
- Feint no longer triggers a global cooldown when activated. Consequently the talent Elusiveness becomes a much more attractive option when Cheat Death is not required.
Subtlety Rogue Strengths and Weaknesses
- Excellent control.
- Powerful burst.
- Great mobility.
- Excellent utility.
- Very prone to dying in stuns.
- Significant cooldown on defensive abilities.
- Often reliant on teammates to stay alive.
- Weak sustained damage.
Changelog
- 30 Oct. 2024 (playstyle): Updated rotation.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (races): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (macros): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (playstyle): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (comps): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (blitz): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (gear): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (talents): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (this page): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 21 Oct. 2024 (this page): Reviewed for Patch 11.0.5.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (races): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (macros): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (playstyle): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (comps): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (blitz): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (gear): Updated Embellishments.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (talents): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (this page): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 09 Sep. 2024 (this page): Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (races): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (macros): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (playstyle): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (comps): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (blitz): Page added for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (gear): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (talents): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (this page): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 21 Aug. 2024 (this page): Updated for The War Within Season 1.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (races): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (macros): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (playstyle): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (comps): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (gear): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (talents): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (this page): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 23 Jul. 2024 (this page): Updated for The War Within Prepatch.
- 07 May 2024 (races): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 07 May 2024 (macros): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 07 May 2024 (playstyle): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 07 May 2024 (comps): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 07 May 2024 (gear): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 07 May 2024 (talents): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 07 May 2024 (this page): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 07 May 2024 (this page): Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (races): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (macros): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (playstyle): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (comps): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (gear): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (talents): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (this page): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 22 Apr. 2024 (this page): Updqted for Dragonflight Season 4.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 18 Mar. 2024 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.6.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 15 Jan. 2024 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.5.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 06 Nov. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.2.
- 04 Sep. 2023 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.7.
- 04 Sep. 2023 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.7.
- 04 Sep. 2023 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.7.
- 04 Sep. 2023 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.7.
- 04 Sep. 2023 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.7.
- 04 Sep. 2023 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.7.
- 04 Sep. 2023 (this page): Updated for Patch 10.1.7
- 04 Sep. 2023 (this page): Updated for Patch 10.1.7
- 10 Jul. 2023 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 10 Jul. 2023 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 10 Jul. 2023 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 10 Jul. 2023 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 10 Jul. 2023 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 10 Jul. 2023 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 10 Jul. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 10 Jul. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.5.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 30 Apr. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.1.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 21 Mar. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.7.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 25 Jan. 2023 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Patch 10.0.5.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (races): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 11 Dec. 2022 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (races): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (macros): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (playstyle): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (comps): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (gear): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (talents): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 22 Nov. 2022 (this page): Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (races): Reviewed for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (macros): Reviewed for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (playstyle): Reviewed for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (comps): Reviewed for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (gear): Updated for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (talents): Reviewed for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (this page): Reviewed for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 28 Jul. 2022 (this page): Reviewed for Shadowlands Season 4.
- 01 Jul. 2022 (comps): Updated 3v3 comps.
- 01 Jul. 2022 (this page): Updated page structure.
- 01 Jul. 2022 (this page): Updated page structure.
- 31 May 2022 (races): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 31 May 2022 (macros): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 31 May 2022 (playstyle): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 31 May 2022 (comps): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 31 May 2022 (gear): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 31 May 2022 (talents): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 31 May 2022 (this page): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 31 May 2022 (this page): Reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
- 24 Feb. 2022 (playstyle): Updated for Patch 9.2.
- 24 Feb. 2022 (gear): Updated for Patch 9.2.
- 23 Feb. 2022 (races): Already up to date with Patch 9.2.
- 23 Feb. 2022 (macros): Already up to date with Patch 9.2.
- 23 Feb. 2022 (comps): Updated for Patch 9.2.
- 23 Feb. 2022 (talents): Updated for Patch 9.2.
- 21 Feb. 2022 (this page): Updated for Patch 9.2.
- 21 Feb. 2022 (this page): Updated for Patch 9.2.
- 04 Jan. 2022 (gear): Updated Enchants.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (races): Already up to date with Patch 9.1.5.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (macros): Already up to date with Patch 9.1.5.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (playstyle): Already up to date with Patch 9.1.5.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (comps): Updated for Patch 9.1.5.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (gear): Already up to date with Patch 9.1.5.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (talents): Updated Tier 2 Talent.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (this page): Already up to date with Patch 9.1.5.
- 10 Nov. 2021 (this page): Already up to date with Patch 9.1.5.
- 06 Oct. 2021 (talents): Updated Tier 3 Talent.
- 30 Jul. 2021 (gear): Updated the Shackle trinket due to a recent hotfix.
- 21 Jul. 2021 (gear): Added the new PvP trinket.
- 21 Jul. 2021 (talents): Updated Tier 3 Talent.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (races): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (macros): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (playstyle): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (comps): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (gear): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (talents): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (this page): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 04 Jul. 2021 (this page): Updated for Patch 9.1.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (races): Rewritten by Shadenox and updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (macros): Rewritten by Shadenox and updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (playstyle): Rewritten by Shadenox and updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (comps): Rewritten by Shadenox and updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (gear): Rewritten by Shadenox and updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (talents): Rewritten by Shadenox and updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (this page): Rewritten by Shadenox and further updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 28 Mar. 2021 (this page): Rewritten by Shadenox and further updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 18 Mar. 2021 (gear): Updated Recommended Gear and Trinkets sections.
- 18 Mar. 2021 (talents): No Updates Made for Patch 9.0.5
- 18 Mar. 2021 (this page): Updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 18 Mar. 2021 (this page): Updated for Patch 9.0.5.
- 17 Dec. 2020 (gear): Updated Stat Priority description.
- 05 Dec. 2020 (playstyle): Updated Rotations to include Covenant Ability.
- 05 Dec. 2020 (talents): Updated Talent Table.
- Updated Tier 6 Regular Talent.
- 02 Dec. 2020 (playstyle): Updated Burst Damage rotation.
- 01 Dec. 2020 (playstyle): Updated Opening and Burst rotations.
- 29 Nov. 2020 (playstyle): Removed outdated Traits and Essences.
- 29 Nov. 2020 (gear): Removed outdated Traits and Essences.
- Removed outdated gear.
- Added gems section.
- 29 Nov. 2020 (this page): Removed old Azerite mentions and updated gear page.
- 29 Nov. 2020 (this page): Removed old Azerite mentions and updated gear page.
- 27 Nov. 2020 (this page): Added Covenant page.
- 27 Nov. 2020 (this page): Added Covenant page.
- 10 Nov. 2020 (playstyle): Updated Opening Rotation.
- 27 Oct. 2020 (talents): Updated Talent Table.
- Updated Tier 2 Regular Talent.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (races): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (macros): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (playstyle): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (comps): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (gear): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (talents): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (this page): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 14 Oct. 2020 (this page): Updated for Shadowlands pre-patch.
- 18 Mar. 2020 (playstyle): Reviewed for Patch 9.0.5.
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